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Old January 27, 2009, 15:50   #1
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Fal scope mount

DSA or GPG? Other?
Any suggestions or opinions on which is better?

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Old January 27, 2009, 16:06   #2
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DSA hands down.

Heavy as all crap, WILL mar the receiver sides, but it works well.
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Old January 27, 2009, 16:23   #3
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ARMS.
Not as heavy as crap, only 1/2 as heavy as crap.
Won't mark reciever.
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Old January 27, 2009, 16:52   #4
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QDPRO if you can find one.
I got one on the market place here a short time ago and it is the best I have used to date.
DSA is good but heavy and you have to tighten/untighten it.
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Old February 11, 2009, 23:13   #5
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ARMS. I have one on my para. Does not hang over the reciever,easy on-off no screws it screw with. Stays tight and zero.
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Old February 14, 2009, 20:17   #6
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The DSA is backordered. I have on on order. I looked at the ARMS but for another $50 for the ARMS, I'll keep waiting.
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Old February 15, 2009, 09:04   #7
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I have the DSA, they are back ordered.
No complaints.
Sounds like they all work!
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Old February 15, 2009, 09:43   #8
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Sounds like they all work!
They do.
It's just a personal preference which one you go for.
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Old February 17, 2009, 08:40   #9
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I have a nib tapco stagnat (sp) mount. rember them. well made. i have a extra 1 as i got 2 years ago and stashed them. if you need 1 pm me and we can see if we can work a trade.- i like trading it is a win win for the both of us.~Richard------it is a Fal scope mount that replaces your cover, it don't have a flat rail. but i think GPG has a rail so you can use an eotech etc. but when i got mine they didn't have a rail. they were just like the true stagnat mount~R
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Old February 17, 2009, 12:46   #10
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SARCO Argy Stanag mount with a Hensoldt on top.
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Old February 17, 2009, 14:22   #11
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SARCO Argy Stanag mount with a Hensoldt on top.
Thats my first (actually last) choice. I tried all the other ones first.
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Old February 18, 2009, 04:25   #12
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I have the DSA, they are back ordered.
No complaints.
Sounds like they all work!
I just received one from DSA that I ordered last week, so they are in stock currently. Now if only they'd resume shipping those Hampton lowers...
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Old March 06, 2009, 11:23   #13
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ARMS.
Not as heavy as crap, only 1/2 as heavy as crap.
Won't mark reciever.
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Old March 21, 2009, 06:50   #14
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GPG scope mount allows for mounting the scope lower

In my opinion, the GPG FAL scope mount (which is labeled UTG MNT-981C and Made in China on the box) is superior to the DSA mount, because its rail is LOWER. (If you want the scope higher, you can always use taller rings, but vice versa is not an option.)

I went even further and cut down the rear portion of the rail so that I can use even lower rings and still have room for the eyepiece of the scope. With the scope cranked down to 1x magnification, I can actually use the iron sights through the scope (e.g., to check that the reticle is still properly zeroed).

But if you want a very lightly used DSA scope mount, I can sell you one...
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Old March 25, 2009, 00:41   #15
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i have the GPG scope mount with my ACOG on it.
love it!
tried her out to 200M and she is grouping well
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Old April 17, 2009, 10:41   #16
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Just FYI, I've also got the mount from gunpartsguy; it's snug, light, and low. The tightening screws thread into what appears to be a steel insert, so there aren't any aluminum threads to strip. Mine came in a plastic bag (no box) and has "Guntec USA" printed on the side. It appears to be identical to the mounts being sold under UTG and Leapers labels (and as mentioned, atp's came in a UTG box).

At about $60, it's a whole lot cheaper than the quality competition. If I thought the ARMS base (which also appears to be pretty low) was actually $80 better, I'd have gotten that just because its narrower, but I don't see how it can be much better really if at all. So far I'm quite happy with it, especially considering the reasonable cost.

Now if the thing falls apart a year from now, I might change my mind. But I don't expect that to happen.
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Old April 28, 2011, 07:52   #17
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I've had several ARMS mounts over the years. My initial complaint was the stupid spacing - 1913 specs were no secret, but ARMS kept the unique South African spacing.

Then there was the contour at the ejection port - it would bounce the empties back inside.

And then there was the problem with them shooting loose after a thousand rounds.

I worked with Mounting Solutions Plus, who was making them for ARMS, and corrected the problems with geometry, but the issue of retention remains.

It is a small spring steel rail, with no way to "tighten" it.

Good for a red dot maybe, but a heavier scope soon leaves the mount loose.
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Old April 28, 2011, 14:26   #18
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GP, would you recommend the DSA over the ARMS mount because of it then?
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Old April 29, 2011, 09:37   #20
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The DSA is the mount I recommend and use (although I modified mine slightly).




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GP - Which rear sight assembly is that?
Also like to hear a bit of feedback on rings -
-Steel or aluminum?
-what are advantages of one piece vs two separate rings?
-how repeatable is dismount/remount zero with two ring set up?
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GP - Which rear sight assembly is that?
Also like to hear a bit of feedback on rings -
-Steel or aluminum?
-what are advantages of one piece vs two separate rings?
-how repeatable is dismount/remount zero with two ring set up?
SAR-48 para - standard IMBEL

I went with the separate because I could get them lower, but on my AR & SCAR I use a onepiece because height not as important.

nothing wrong with quality aluminum, but I prefer putting steel bolts into steel. aluminum too easy to strip with overtorquing.

I was within 4-5" or 1 minute at 500 yards. Not perfect, but I also don't see any reason to remove the scope unless it is no longer serviceable, in which case I don't need return to zero.
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are you able to achieve decent cheekweld.. rather you have a para.. so there is some sort of pad for cheekweld?

I have a DSA and have stripped out a couple of the screws... guess maybe I need to get a professional gunsmith cylinder ground torquing driver - (or maybe just some locktight and take it easy)

I have a craps ass one piece sled under a 1-4x konus - and it creeps all over the place.

You are seeing 1MOA with your tuned up rig.. is there a lot of movement once the barrel heats up.. I have seen some folks talking about how hot barrel flies higher. I sure each rifle has it own tendency, but generally what is the FAL behavior?,
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... (or maybe just some locktight and take it easy)

this is what i do with my DSA mounts and it works fine. use blue.
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are you able to achieve decent cheekweld.. rather you have a para.. so there is some sort of pad for cheekweld?

I think cheekweld is overrated. "paratrooper" seems to be in conflict with "target shooting". As is "FAL" for that matter.

I have a nice adjustable stock and microadjustable diopter sight on my target guns. I don't roll in the mud with them.

I have a DSA and have stripped out a couple of the screws... guess maybe I need to get a professional gunsmith cylinder ground torquing driver - (or maybe just some locktight and take it easy)

I've had a couple of those plates strip with minor torque. I believe some of those little castings are poorly made.


So much of it is by feel. One trick is to use an allen wrench. When the shaft of the wrench flexes, it is enough torque.

I have a craps ass one piece sled under a 1-4x konus - and it creeps all over the place.

I don't know what that is.

You are seeing 1MOA with your tuned up rig..

I don't know what a "tuned up rig" is. I have a standard, off-the-shelf SAR-48 bush and a standard, off-the-shelf SAR 48 para. The only mods I made were replacing selector with inch pattern, and mag catch with FSE or Izzy, and some type 1 style lightening cuts I made on the para.

I modified the DSA scope mounts by removing material so that the objectives would clear with lower rings.

I did no "accuracy tuning" and don't know what that would entail.

is there a lot of movement once the barrel heats up.. I have seen some folks talking about how hot barrel flies higher. I sure each rifle has it own tendency, but generally what is the FAL behavior?,

I saw what appeared to be a 1 MOA deflection in my zero when I took the scope off, to try a different scope, and then put it back on the next day.

One event is not a pattern. It could have been something else I did. I also had one of the screws coming loose and retorqued all of them - which may have contributed as much as the rings.

Some people experience vertical stringing as their rifle heats up, but the cause for it and the cure for it seem to be in great dispute. Do a search on vertical stringing.
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You MUST use loctite on the DSA mount screws.

You do NOT need a torque wrench.
Tighten the screws until they are just a hair more than snug - and NO MORE!

Do not remove the mount for routine cleaning.

If you do remove the mount, the screws will NOT torque to the same position as before. In almost every case the screw will turn in further when you re-install the mount. If you repeat this cycle, the locking plates will eventually strip-out. Plan for this buy buying a supply of replacement locking plates before you wreck two or three of them on one careless afternoon. Buy some spare screws too while you're at it.

Locking plates for DSA scope mounts should be regarded as an expendable item.

I still love my DSA mounts.
But I do recognize the cons as well as the pros for this product.

Do not expect a DSA scope mount to turn a 4-5 MOA rifle into a tack driver.

I remove my scope (via Warne QD rings) every time I come home from the range. There is no room in the gun safe for a scoped FAL unless I want to store a couple Garands in the bathroom linen closet. I find that my zero with the Warne rings and Leupold VX-II scope does not shift more than one MOA from one installation to the next.
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Some really useful comments coming through - mas appreciado!

maybe I'll get some extra plates and try hardening them.. should be easy enough to do with magnet, hanger wire and MAPP torch. I'll give this a try if they aren't too pricy

Message received on the loc tight and getting some extra plates and screws,

I have an old cali cut TAPCO mount, relatively DSA's workmanship and attachment design are superior.

Here's my obligatory cheap shot to DSA: I'm sure they could use harder plates, but this would like add a couple nickles to their piece cost.
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