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Need advice --- Optics for SA-58

HerrNuguri

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Got a DSA SA-58 IBC, comes with 16'' barrel and railed top cover. Going to try iron sights first but I think I will eventually put a sight on it. Could use some advice since I'm having a hard time deciding...
Budget: ~$600
Goal/Application: Plinking at local range, 100 yards maximum. Potentially SBR it in the future and do training with it but I'm not certain at this point.
I have heard Fal is hard on optics, is this true? What is your experience with optics on your Fals and what's your recommendation? Thanks a lot!
Btw any pics of your setup would be awesome, so I can have a better idea of what it will look like.
 

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I had a DSA railed cover on my FAL for a number if years and ran a red dot on it. I eventually moved the red dot to an AR. Not that I shoot tens of thousands of rounds in my FAL but the red dot held up fine.

The usual issues with optics on a FAL are:
  • Mounting it properly
  • Spent brass hitting the optic
In this case, since you already have a DSA FAL, get a failed top cover and apply the optic that suits you. FALs aren't a long range rifle so you can get by with red dot or lower powered scope. With a budget of $600, there should be plenty of quality options available.
 

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Welcome to the Hivemind!

Well personally i sight all my fals in at 200yds regardless of barrel length..
Regarding sights, guess depends on personal preference and age. I am finding that my focusing is getting a bit weird, i am having to switch from dots to scopes like 1-4x with illumination ...

Also if you will be eventually doing an sbr i still think a 100yd or 100m zero is appropriate.

Again,welcome aboard and now you need a 2nd one!!
 

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I've put tens of inexpensive scopes and red dots on tens of FALs and I've never had a problem with the optic failing or holding zero. I think the recoil impulse from an FAL is the softest of any 308 I've fired, and 308 isn't that violent to start with.

I can't see iron sights anymore so I have to put optics on everything.

I also routinely shoot FALs out to 300 yards from the bench. I'd say 2 MOA is doable. I like some decent magnification (12X) so I can see the bullet holes and don't have to walk 300 yards down and back every 5 shots.

I think LPVOs on a cantilever mount look sharp on an FAL (not mine):

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I mount my scopes as low as possible with the objective lens right in front of the rear sight. This gives me the most natural cheek weld and good eye relief (about 1/2 inch higher than I'd use if I were using the irons).

This is dumb:

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You couldn't fire that without smacking yourself in the face.

W.E.G. has good advice.

Welcome aboard.
 

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Tiborsaurus Rex is on Youtube, and he once tested scopes on FAL's; he said that the FAL in short order destroys most scopes, but he had a recommendation in that video.
I think it was SWFA, but I cannot remember clearly enough .

Of course I cannot find that video now in his hundreds of videos on scopes.
 

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If you are shooting optics on an FAL all the time, I recommend trying this:


I've had many purists (here) tell me that the FN FAL wasn't not designed to need a buffer, and it's a terrible idea. Um, maybe. I've shot two of my rifles with these Buffertech buffers for thousands of rounds and never had a problem. It's a $14 experiment for you...

Blue Loctite is your friend if you are mounting a DSA scope mount. Go slowly in the mounting process, because DSA is probably going to send you subpar screws, and the plates will twist and mount incorrectly (if they do...).

Thanks to member Kotengu, I have an old Leupold 2-7 gold ring on an Imbel. Love it. It's mounted so low that I ground off a couple of pic-rails from the mount to clear the scope. Almost the same cheek-weld as shooting irons, which I think is very useful for shooting lots of FAL rounds. I think the chin-weld, or gum/teeth weld from having the scope too high is one of the reasons that people are bad at shooting FALs... they can't repeat the head position.

Good luck.
 

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I think LPVOs on a cantilever mount look sharp on an FAL (not mine):

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I used to have that very rifle (mine was OD green). I shot a ~750 round class at Thunder Ranch over 2.5 days. First day SUCKED THE BIG ONE after a few rounds, and I tried to hang in there. Went to hardware store in Lakeview at 0730 Saturday morning. Bought a scrap of dense, closed-cell foam and some electricians tape.

Suddenly that para stock didn't suck at all, and I shot like a machine. Stock would even fold with the foam cheek-riser on which was good, because I wasn't taping it up on the daily.

Pictures like this ^ do look cool. 30 round mag = you can't shoot prone very low (or at all...), it's heavier than shit, and no one is actually shooting more than three to five shots off their chin / gum-line (stock too low, and scope too high...) and getting hits past 300. This is gun porn with airbrushed skin and fake boobs: looks cool, doesn't actually work like that IRL.
 

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For 600, and under 100 yards, get an Aimpoint PRO and have money left for ammo. LPVO is an option, but I have one and rarely use it off 1 power.
 

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I used to have that very rifle (mine was OD green). I shot a ~750 round class at Thunder Ranch over 2.5 days. First day SUCKED THE BIG ONE after a few rounds, and I tried to hang in there. Went to hardware store in Lakeview at 0730 Saturday morning. Bought a scrap of dense, closed-cell foam and some electricians tape.

Suddenly that para stock didn't suck at all, and I shot like a machine. Stock would even fold with the foam cheek-riser on which was good, because I wasn't taping it up on the daily.

Pictures like this ^ do look cool. 30 round mag = you can't shoot prone very low (or at all...), it's heavier than shit, and no one is actually shooting more than three to five shots off their chin / gum-line (stock too low, and scope too high...) and getting hits past 300. This is gun porn with airbrushed skin and fake boobs: looks cool, doesn't actually work like that IRL.
I don't own a folder for that reason. And I have a 10 round magazine I use prone, or even off the bench so I don't have to prop the rifle up so high. But it does look cool, huh?
 

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I run an EOTECH EXPS-2 on a DSA railed dust cover. I wrapped the para stock in paracord to help with chin comfort while shooting. The eotech reticle is always on target when you see it in the window so a different chin weld each time doesn’t mess with your shooting. I have a 3x magnifier but rarely use it. Most of my shooting is 200 yards or less. Yes, brass will strike the bottom/side of the eotech occasionally but it has reliably held zero after hundreds of rounds.
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-Jake
 

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I don't know if it is clearly visible in the picture of my last post, but on the rear stock of my Para
I put on some pipe insulation (grey foam type from Lowe's) on the rear stock.

The stock still folds and I've got a better cheek weld.
 

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If you only shoot to 100yds and your vision is good, a simple red dot might suffice. A $100 SIG Romeo might be all you need.

If you need some magnification, Primary Arms sells an integrated red dot with 3x magnification that can help you shoot further out for about $300.

I shoved a SIG 4H red dot on a FAL and shot about 200 rounds and the optic is still working fine with no damage. I added a 6x magnifier that flips out of the way for short distances and I can engage it for longer distances. I am thinking of putting on a 3x magnifier as the 6x is harder to live with at short distances.

Another option is getting an LPVO. Primary Arms makes a nice one that offers 1-6x ACSS reticle with bullet drops for up to 600 yards and FFP for less than $400. I have one on my AR-10 and the ability to zoom in and out is really nice. SIG makes an inexpensive SFP LPVO called the MSR that goes for less than $300. Be careful about the MSR name as they also make an $80 red dot with the same name. Also make sure the LPVO is made for the caliber you shoot as different calibers have different trajectories and your reticle on the optic is caliber specific. Always use blue loctite on all screws on the mounts as they will come loose if you don't.
 

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I used to have that very rifle (mine was OD green). I shot a ~750 round class at Thunder Ranch over 2.5 days. First day SUCKED THE BIG ONE after a few rounds, and I tried to hang in there. Went to hardware store in Lakeview at 0730 Saturday morning. Bought a scrap of dense, closed-cell foam and some electricians tape.

Suddenly that para stock didn't suck at all, and I shot like a machine. Stock would even fold with the foam cheek-riser on which was good, because I wasn't taping it up on the daily.

Pictures like this ^ do look cool. 30 round mag = you can't shoot prone very low (or at all...), it's heavier than shit, and no one is actually shooting more than three to five shots off their chin / gum-line (stock too low, and scope too high...) and getting hits past 300. This is gun porn with airbrushed skin and fake boobs: looks cool, doesn't actually work like that IRL.
Hey! I used my 30rd on the action stage!
 

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If you only shoot to 100yds and your vision is good, a simple red dot might suffice. A $100 SIG Romeo might be all you need.

If you need some magnification, Primary Arms sells an integrated red dot with 3x magnification that can help you shoot further out for about $300.

I shoved a SIG 4H red dot on a FAL and shot about 200 rounds and the optic is still working fine with no damage. I added a 6x magnifier that flips out of the way for short distances and I can engage it for longer distances. I am thinking of putting on a 3x magnifier as the 6x is harder to live with at short distances.

Another option is getting an LPVO. Primary Arms makes a nice one that offers 1-6x ACSS reticle with bullet drops for up to 600 yards and FFP for less than $400. I have one on my AR-10 and the ability to zoom in and out is really nice. SIG makes an inexpensive SFP LPVO called the MSR that goes for less than $300. Be careful about the MSR name as they also make an $80 red dot with the same name. Also make sure the LPVO is made for the caliber you shoot as different calibers have different trajectories and your reticle on the optic is caliber specific. Always use blue loctite on all screws on the mounts as they will come loose if you don't.
I will second the Primary Arms 1-6 first focal plane, it really is a great scope. I'm only selling mine because I wanted to go above that price threshold.
 

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Hey! I used my 30rd on the action stage!
Yeah, because it's you:

1. natively athletic
2. young enough to be fast
3. old enough to be strong
4. good shooter

I watched a different shooter try to monopod his 30 rounder on the 600 yard line. I'm pretty sure that didn't work out like he had hoped.
 

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If you only shoot to 100yds and your vision is good, a simple red dot might suffice. A $100 SIG Romeo might be all you need.

If you need some magnification, Primary Arms sells an integrated red dot with 3x magnification that can help you shoot further out for about $300.

I shoved a SIG 4H red dot on a FAL and shot about 200 rounds and the optic is still working fine with no damage. I added a 6x magnifier that flips out of the way for short distances and I can engage it for longer distances. I am thinking of putting on a 3x magnifier as the 6x is harder to live with at short distances.

Another option is getting an LPVO. Primary Arms makes a nice one that offers 1-6x ACSS reticle with bullet drops for up to 600 yards and FFP for less than $400. I have one on my AR-10 and the ability to zoom in and out is really nice. SIG makes an inexpensive SFP LPVO called the MSR that goes for less than $300. Be careful about the MSR name as they also make an $80 red dot with the same name. Also make sure the LPVO is made for the caliber you shoot as different calibers have different trajectories and your reticle on the optic is caliber specific. Always use blue loctite on all screws on the mounts as they will come loose if you don't.
Do you have any experience with PA's prism scope? I have astigmatism so the red dot gets blurry when the light gets dim.
 

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Do you have any experience with PA's prism scope? I have astigmatism so the red dot gets blurry when the light gets dim.
I had the full sized 3x on an AR for a while and liked it quite a bit. It ended up on my dad’s STG58 and I think it’s a pretty good combo. The micro 3x is still a prism it’s just really shrunk down. I don’t have any experience with the micro yet.

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